Comments for wonderful exchange http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com thoughts on our journey with God Tue, 13 May 2008 22:02:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU Comment on money-changers in the temple by rosemary http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/money-changers-in-the-temple/#comment-5240 rosemary Tue, 13 May 2008 21:38:53 +0000 http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/?p=659#comment-5240 Did you not know you did it? I thought it was remarkable Catholic, really. Calvinists don't need or get a reward, because it is all ordained: There was a young man who said: 'Damn! It appears to me that I am Just a being that moves In predestinate grooves I'm not even a bus, I'm a tram!' Catholics get a reward because grace enables action which is not inevitable. You have a particular gift for making people feel good, and you set up tasks which in some way have a beginning, a middle and an end. When people get to the end, they can look back and say: 'See, I did it!' It appears that the task is so structured as to offer this pay off, which is in a large part why they are so well liked and readily undertaken. The effort has to be made (which is in part why I so approve, cf R. Stark) but it tends to be a finite effort and the rewards tend to be built in, yes. Where that fails, you offer gold stars. Did you not know you did it? I thought it was remarkable Catholic, really. Calvinists don’t need or get a reward, because it is all ordained:

There was a young man who said: ‘Damn!
It appears to me that I am
Just a being that moves
In predestinate grooves
I’m not even a bus, I’m a tram!’

Catholics get a reward because grace enables action which is not inevitable.

You have a particular gift for making people feel good, and you set up tasks which in some way have a beginning, a middle and an end. When people get to the end, they can look back and say: ‘See, I did it!’ It appears that the task is so structured as to offer this pay off, which is in a large part why they are so well liked and readily undertaken. The effort has to be made (which is in part why I so approve, cf R. Stark) but it tends to be a finite effort and the rewards tend to be built in, yes. Where that fails, you offer gold stars.

]]> Comment on money-changers in the temple by wonderfulexchange http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/money-changers-in-the-temple/#comment-5239 wonderfulexchange Tue, 13 May 2008 20:29:32 +0000 http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/?p=659#comment-5239 The building in of reward sounds remarkably Calvinistic. Is that really what I do? That reminds me: I still haven't awarded gold stars... Will do so within the next 24 hours. The building in of reward sounds remarkably Calvinistic. Is that really what I do?

That reminds me: I still haven’t awarded gold stars… Will do so within the next 24 hours.

]]> Comment on how long, O Lord by wonderfulexchange http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/how-long-lord/#comment-5238 wonderfulexchange Tue, 13 May 2008 20:25:22 +0000 http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/?p=655#comment-5238 Mrs Beamish is alive and well, and helping newer members of the congregation discover their inner Anglican. I dare say she may make an appearance at Bloggers and Bluebells. Mrs Beamish is alive and well, and helping newer members of the congregation discover their inner Anglican. I dare say she may make an appearance at Bloggers and Bluebells.

]]> Comment on money-changers in the temple by rosemary http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/money-changers-in-the-temple/#comment-5237 rosemary Tue, 13 May 2008 16:46:26 +0000 http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/?p=659#comment-5237 Also, it limits the give. If you give a pound a week, that is your share of getting the SEC out of trouble. That is what is needed, and you have done what is needed. You can allow yourself to be rewarded by a warm glow. (This building in of reward is Kimberly's especial gift - one of her especial gifts. I name it to enable it.) Also, it limits the give. If you give a pound a week, that is your share of getting the SEC out of trouble. That is what is needed, and you have done what is needed. You can allow yourself to be rewarded by a warm glow. (This building in of reward is Kimberly’s especial gift - one of her especial gifts. I name it to enable it.)

]]> Comment on money-changers in the temple by rosemary http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/money-changers-in-the-temple/#comment-5236 rosemary Tue, 13 May 2008 14:54:59 +0000 http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/?p=659#comment-5236 I think where the flower pots score is that they are aimed at a specific thing - if we all gave a pound more it would solve a problem. The shortfall is, nation wide, just that small. And if desperate, you can take it out. For me that would be very reassuring. I think where the flower pots score is that they are aimed at a specific thing - if we all gave a pound more it would solve a problem. The shortfall is, nation wide, just that small. And if desperate, you can take it out. For me that would be very reassuring.

]]> Comment on money-changers in the temple by Robin http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/money-changers-in-the-temple/#comment-5235 Robin Tue, 13 May 2008 11:58:48 +0000 http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/?p=659#comment-5235 We've been running a similar scheme using smartie tubes. You collect a smartie tube from church, eat the smarties, drop 20p coins in as and when they become available, and bring the tube back when it's full. It's less organised than your approach (no fixed rate for dropping the coins it), but there is the incentive of collecting a full tube of smarties each time you hand in the old one. Robin We’ve been running a similar scheme using smartie tubes.
You collect a smartie tube from church, eat the smarties, drop 20p coins in as and when they become available, and bring the tube back when it’s full.

It’s less organised than your approach (no fixed rate for dropping the coins it), but there is the incentive of collecting a full tube of smarties each time you hand in the old one.

Robin

]]> Comment on how long, O Lord by Eamonn http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/how-long-lord/#comment-5234 Eamonn Tue, 13 May 2008 11:02:18 +0000 http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/?p=655#comment-5234 Re: hobgoblins and fiends, esp. in connection with the speed of hymns - does Mrs Beamish still stalk the earth? Re: hobgoblins and fiends, esp. in connection with the speed of hymns - does Mrs Beamish still stalk the earth?

]]> Comment on how long, O Lord by John Penman http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/how-long-lord/#comment-5233 John Penman Tue, 13 May 2008 09:58:57 +0000 http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/?p=655#comment-5233 Hymns Old and new have brought out an ecumaniacal version "One Church, one Faith one Lord" which also has the Common worship propers (all reading + collects and post communions) bound in. Not only updates the hymnody but means the sunday sheet can be used for notices rather than liturgical material. My lot courtesy of our ecumaniacal relationships are musing (in choir vestrys and places where they sing) about getting CH4 to replace Common Ground and Ancient & More Ancient. At least its got some decent psalmody. Its seasonal provision is a tad limited, tho. Hymns Old and new have brought out an ecumaniacal version “One Church, one Faith one Lord” which also has the Common worship propers (all reading + collects and post communions) bound in. Not only updates the hymnody but means the sunday sheet can be used for notices rather than liturgical material. My lot courtesy of our ecumaniacal relationships are musing (in choir vestrys and places where they sing) about getting CH4 to replace Common Ground and Ancient & More Ancient. At least its got some decent psalmody. Its seasonal provision is a tad limited, tho.

]]> Comment on money-changers in the temple by Mary http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/money-changers-in-the-temple/#comment-5232 Mary Tue, 13 May 2008 09:20:20 +0000 http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/?p=659#comment-5232 Its a good idea... I have seen it done with jam jars where people have been challenged to put every one and two pence piece they come accross in... Its a good idea… I have seen it done with jam jars where people have been challenged to put every one and two pence piece they come accross in…

]]> Comment on money-changers in the temple by rosemary http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/money-changers-in-the-temple/#comment-5231 rosemary Tue, 13 May 2008 08:39:42 +0000 http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com/?p=659#comment-5231 I now see it is growing season - you know I'd mentally changed it to growing summer. I guess I've answered my own question. I now see it is growing season - you know I’d mentally changed it to growing summer. I guess I’ve answered my own question.

]]>